I have spent the last few moments catching up on this subject. You and I are on the same page of thought. I can see that this entry into your Blog has been a long discussion. I have gained knowledge that I can take with me. Thank you.

Eric

“Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer…
“There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful…
“The writer or teacher who has an exaggerated loyalty to the theory that everything must be told is laying a foundation for his own judgment…The Lord made it clear that some things are to be taught selectively and some things are to be given only to those who are worthy…
“That historian or scholar who delights in pointing out the weaknesses and frailties of present or past leaders destroys faith. A destroyer of faith - particularly one within the Church, and more particularly one who is employed specifically to build faith - places himself in great spiritual jeopardy. He is serving the wrong master, and unless he repents, he will not be among the faithful in the eternities…Do not spread disease germs!” (Boyd K. Packer, 1981, BYU Studies, Vol. 21, No. 3, pp. 259-271)

“What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience.” Joseph Smith, “Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo”, delivered Sunday, May 26, 1844. Printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-412. (It is now historically verified that in 1844 Joseph Smith secretly had thirty wives.)

“We are really not obligated to answer everyone’s questions…if a person out of the blue asks me,,.”You folks believe that man can become like God?” It might be wiser to say, “That is an interesting question….” Answer the question he should have asked. Never use meat when milk will do.” Dr. Robert Millet

It is my personal experience over 29 years of adult life, receiving and conversing with Mormon elders on mission that they regularly not only deflect my questions according to advice similar to Dr. Millet’s training, but they also flat out lie, denying basic Mormon doctrines if they disagree with basic Christian/biblical doctrines I pose. Numerous Christians have experienced the same.

Can you give me some clarification? As a practicing LDS member, and having served two missions so far, I have never heard of this concept. Can you give me some documentation to substantiate your claim that lying is acceptable in LDS thought and practice? I would appreciate it. Thank you.

He has grown disillusioned with the CJCLDS and is planning to send his resignation letter in. I can’t imagine what it’s like for someone to take these steps!

I will warn you that he deals with some adult themes and throws in the occasional bleep word, but his research is quite extensive and thorough. By the time you’ve read through most of his postings you’ll see why he grew disillusioned and is about to send in his resignation letter.

Give it a look!

I’m puzzled again. Where in the post did I mention hell? I said I was concerned about people’s eternal destiny. Where did hell come up?

Maybe he’s letting us know in a subtle way that he knows more than we think, or he says he does.

Is that a possibility?

There have been over 70 posts in this blog. I wonder why he wants me to talk even more about why I believe Mormon, INC. is wrong. He said I get on his nerves when I do that.

This is where this breaks down for me. I find it hard to believe that he doesn’t know what I believe. He seems to enough to know that he doesn’t believe it.

You know before you go to buy something, you research before you buy? You read the pro and cons, look at the company’s web site, talk to people who’ve bought the product and have good and bad reviews of it. You don’t really become an expert of that product, but you know enough to make an informed decision. I think Clean Cut and I have done that.

An interfaith dialog about what? Maybe he likes U2 as much as I do. Is that it? “The effect of U2 on Mormon and Protestant thought.”

Nevertheless, I’m not sure that you logic makes sense–at least to me. “Mormonism is wrong=my motivation”. I just don’t get it. Can you expound upon that a little bit?

Moreover, I’m genuinely curious about your understanding of my eternal destiny and your understanding of hell. That is a question I’m asking to both you and Nathan.

I’m puzzled by CC’s last post. He’s asking me a question from a post I directed to you. I think he’s has a misguided impression that these post have been on a personal level. He seems to be an articulate apologist for the CJCLDS, and therefore my exchange is not so much personal (except the part where he said a web site was “fair and unbiased” and would not admit his deceit) as it’s an exchange between points of view.

I know that he doesn’t like that, but he must understand that I can’t let any others that read this blog think we agree on any points at all. It’s all in the semantics. I noticed in the post he sent you, I get on his nerves. He, like others, always want to know our “motivation” is. Mormon, INC. is wrong. That’s the motivation all along.

Yes, I’m concerned about people’s eternal destiny. The difference is he knows the protestant view of soteriology, why is he asking me what I believe? He obviously knows it and has rejected it.
What am I missing?

So I presume you say what you do (and the way you say it) out of love and concern for my eternal salvation? What is your understanding of “my eternal destiny”? What do you say happens to me if I don’t “repent” and leave Mormonism? Do I go to “hell”? What is your understanding of hell, anyway?